Drying problems with the oil based poly

Q: After using B**** Coatings oil poly for years on floors without problems I was forced to return to D******* oil. Recently, I am experiencing drying problems with the oil based poly, in which I have cause to blame the company for changing the formula (to meet upcoming standards).

Have you heard any recent problems with the D******* poly on floors? Like not drying in ideal conditions, thus causing numerous problems? I may be forced to switch solely to waterborne, but worry about their past problems, like elasticity (too hard and cracking), not enough open time to apply and allow bubbles to pop, shelf life, etc. What do you think?

A: Isn’t our job great fun, especially when regulators start screwing with what is allowed? You are probably right in saying they have changed the formula. To meet EPA standards and lessen solvents the finishes will be drying more slowly.

I would recommend you contact Poloplaz and ask about Primero. You might also check out Floormasters on the web.

Using an oil based polyurethane over Zinsser finish

Q: We have 150 year old red oak floors with several coats of Zinsser Target clear epoxy based finish on them. We have been unable to find the same product and are thinking of using an oil based polyurethane over the existing finish.

Will it stick and not bubble or peel? What kind of prep is need prior to application?

A: I’m afraid I have no experience with this product. I would recommend contacting Zinsser.

You might perform a test spot in an inconspicuous place in the room. Rub the spot well with fine sand paper and apply a coat of finish and see what happens.

Best finish for Cypress hard wood floors in home with dog and children

Q: I have Cypress hard wood floors and they are constantly getting scratches and dents due to the dog and children. I am having them refinished. What is the best finish to put on the floors to protect them? How many coats?

A: There is really only one solution to this problem. The dogs and children must go! Just kidding.

Any floor can be dented and any finish can and will get scratches. Some woods, even hard woods tend to reveal surface scratches more readily, such as maple. It’s very light natural colour and tight grain offer nothing in the character of the wood itself to hide these marks.

The harder the wood the more resistant it will be to denting and a floor finish itself will not alter this. Having said that, I include a short article from Poloplaz regarding finishing exotic woods. My usual approach is to apply 3 coats initially and another coat some time down the road to refresh the finish when it starts to get banged up.

Related Q: I am going to refinish my maple floors. I do have a dog. What would you recommend for a natural finish that will better withstand nail scratches? Could you also suggest the best how-to technique to accomplish this. I have never done this before, I have always had a professional refinish the floor, but money is tight so I am going to do myself.

A: I can’t give technique suggestions on sanding floors because this type of work requires a period of apprenticeship to become skilled. I use Poloplaz Primero which is a very tough finish. The problem with maple is while it is a harder wood generally, compared to oak, the grain is so thin, like pencil lines that there is nothing to hide nail impressions a heavy pet would leave in the floor.

Do I need some type of finish on my newly uncovered pine floor?

Q: I have a floor that was installed in 1953, when a room was added onto the house. It has had linoleum on it since that time. The floor never had a finish and is a mellow golden color, being pine. Can I remove the floor covering and simply use the floor as is, or do I need some type of finish, and if so what type?

A: My only concern is that the floor has taken on the darker hue because of “tar” on the back of the linoleum. If that is the case, I would suggest sanding to clean wood. If this is not the case then you could apply 3 coats of polyurethane (I use and recommend Poloplaz Primero and Poloplaz Fast Dry Sanding Sealer) or if you prefer the look of oil, 4 coats of Waterlox tung oil finish.

You should treat the floor with something or it will eventually become discolored.

Varnish with a mirror like shine?

Q: I’ve sanded and varnished quite a few floors in my current and last house. I always used Cuprinol Original Bourne Seal floor varnish. I love the finish it gives because it is super glossy. I’ve just sanded and stained another floor and tried to find this floor varnish and found out the company stopped making it a year ago. I bought a tin of Ronseal Diamond Hard Floor Varnish in Gloss but it doesn’t even nearly compare to the mirror like shine of the Bourne Seal varnish. Do you know of any other floor varnishes that compare with the Bourne Seal result?

A: I’ve not used Cuprinol finishes. Poloplaz Primero hi-gloss is an outstanding product with a high shine, less slip, very durable and a dream to apply with a roller.

Can polyurethane be used over a section of my oak floor that was finished with Waterlox?

Q: Can polyurethane be used over a section of my oak floor that was finished with Waterlox?

It has three coats of Waterlox which were applied two weeks ago and are totally dry. This was a heating grate area that we filled in, as the heating system has been totally changed. The surrounding floor has polyurethane finish.

So can I add polyurethane over the Waterlox?

A: Yes you can use polyurethane over Waterlox. I would give it a bit of a scuff with fine sand paper, clean and coat.

What type of finish (varnish?) was used in the 60’s?

Q: I want to refinish just a couple of sections of my oak hardwood floor (fixing black nail spots and some marks left by carpeting that has been taken up). I have been told to mask off the area I work on, bleach and sand, etc. I don’t know what to use for a finish.

The floors were professionally refinished, probably sometime in the 60’s. There doesn’t appear to be any stain. What type of finish (varnish?) was used at that time?

A: Both varnish and wax were used. If the finish spots from a drop of water, it is wax. You can try to hand rub with fine sand paper in a corner where you will be working anyway and apply some polyurethane. If the finish sticks you know what to finish with. If it crawls or repels, you know for sure it’s wax or the like.

For the smooth edge strip black spots around the nail holes you could use a nail set and oversize the hole slightly so the black spot is recessed below the floor, then fill the holes with wood filler, which you would have to do anyway. Forget the bleach.

Similar Q: I’m looking at a house that was built in 1962 and has wood floors throughout, both stories. They are dark, plank style, and have pretty big gaps in between. I’m trying to find out what kind of wood they are but have found no help on the net. Were the majority of floors back then a certain kind of wood?

A: You have no idea if the floors were original to the house, and my guess would be they are not. It may be helpful to take some pictures of the floors. Most common species in North America is oak.

No appearance difference between water and oil finishes?

Q: I have 25 year old red oak floors that I want refinished with a water-based poly. From what I’ve seen in showrooms, I like the natural look of red oak with a water based application versus the yellowish pigment of oil (current finish). One of the contractors claims because of the age of the oak there will be no appearance difference between using water or oil. Do you agree with this? Everything I read seems to disagree.

A: The floor will be lighter with a water borne than a solvent or oil based finish.

I don’t think a high quality oil modified polyurethane can be beat (photos of samples)

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Ok, these sample boards I’ve been working on. I’m trying to show the difference in appearance between oil modified polyurethane and water borne urethane. The samples are on steamed walnut (that is the sample with the consistent colouration), unsteamed walnut, quarter sawn white oak and plain sawn red oak. On the white oak I’ve also stained 2 sections golden brown and dark oak. One half has had one coat of water borne applied but I haven’t coated the other stained half with oil modified yet.

Which do you like most? The oil modified Primero went on smooth as glass, but I have to fight with the water borne. The water borne is significantly lighter in all cases. Especially on the red oak it looks ‘sterile’. After all these years, I’m still not a fan of water borne. There are versions of this finish which amber and maybe that would help to enhance the appearance of the wood. The only occasion I can think of when a water borne, non ambering must be used is for pastel stain colours such as white. I’m not yet convinced of the water borne coatings being as long lasting as oil based regardless of the ‘taber’ test which have been done. How does the coating stand up in real world activity? For smoothness and depth of colour, I don’t think a high quality oil modified can be beat.

Do you know of a good source for information to give customers for oil finish maturity?

Q: Do you know of a good source for information to give customers for oil finish maturity? Like the PDF Glitsa has on their website under their “What to expect during curing process” link(http://www.glitsa.com/maintenance.php). We don’t normally use Glitsa for obvious reasons. We use Bona oil base and cannot find that kind of a list on their website.

And thank you for your advice on rolling on our finish. 10x better than the T-bar.

A: I haven’t been able to find a separate document on my computer outlining the rundown of what to expect of oil modified during the curing process. However, the label on the can of Primero does give the outline: Light traffic initially and normal traffic after 3 days. The finish reaches 80% full cure in 7 days and full cure in 30. No area rugs for the first 30 days.

You might be able to find something more substantial at www.woodfloorsonline.com.

Before I started using Primero I tried applying the finish with a weighted T bar because I was sick of dealing with streaking and mop stops when using satin. However, I found it applied much too heavy a coat and I couldn’t keep to the spread rate of 500 feet per gallon. I’ve never had streaking issues with Primero but just decided one day to try the roller. I had used a lamb’s wool for more than 30 years. It seemed a bit awkward initially, but it did lay down a good even coat and especially with a first coat on stain, there is no pushing, pulling and rubbing as the lamb’s wool does so it was less likely to disturb the stain if it didn’t happen to be 100% dry. I’ve been rolling ever since, over 2 years now.

Waterborne finish most durable regarding scratches?

Q: I just got my floors refinished and I was under the impression that the waterborne finish would be the most durable from scratches. I can easily scratch my floors with a light rub of my fingernail and I am concerned because I have 2 dogs who I’ve not let on the floor yet, and a baby on the way. My flooring refinisher said he put 2 coats down and I have asked him to come back to put a 3rd coat. Am I being unrealistic in my expectations? Is there something I should ask him to do in this last coat (like a hardening additive?) I understand that heavy or sharp objects will cause dents, but I hoped that the finish would be more durable for light object movement on the surface.

A: I’m still big on the solvent (oil based) type polyurethanes. Primero, my current finish of choice is very tough. Top end water borne finishes are tough too, however they require a cross-linker to be added and generally they contain iso-cyanate which is not a very safe, friendly solvent to have to handle. These 2 part finishes are also comparatively expensive. The single component water borne finishes such as Bona Mega are not very durable. Poloplaz has a water borne, 202 which has a proprietary cross-linker added to the finish so you don’t have to handle iso and there is no waste. It is also less expensive than Bona Traffic. Your floor guy likely used Mega or other single component finish and it won’t stand up. Have him coat with a good quality water borne, or go with Primero.

Incidentally, 2 coats is not adequate.

Similar Q: Our contractor refinished our hardwood floors with an oil based polyplaz satin and I am finding that it scratches very easily. Can this be top coated with a water based polyurethane designed for floors?

A: Did you mean Poloplaz? I’ve used both Primero and Supreme which are both excellent and tough coatings. If your contractor finished these floors he is not a professional flooring contractor and may be under the mistaken notion that if he applies the finish in thicker coats that it is better, instead of following the recommended spread rate of 500 sq. feet per gallon. That would be my guess.

To directly answer your question, yes you can apply a waterbourne coating over solvent based finishes. I would however allow full cure before continuing with that. This usually takes 3-4 weeks. However, if the contractor applied it at thicker than recommended rates you may want to wait longer. Procedure is the same with all coatings. Abrade existing coating thoroughly, vacuum and tac up any and all dust and debris before coating.

How did you like the Poloplaz?

Q from the Wood Flooring Guy to a reader: How did you like the Poloplaz?

A: The main reason that I chose it was because of the fact that it could be rolled on. As a ‘Do it Yourself-er’ the thought of using lambswool and getting the product applied evenly scared me. I used 1/4′ x 18′ mohair blend rollers and the product flowed out very nicely. I have been following your forums for quite some time now and came across the Poloplaz brand through you. Thank you very much for all of your help.

Closest product to match Swedish finish?

Q: We have 2 coats of Swedish finish on our oak floor, still in great condition after 5 years of good care. We are downsizing a kitchen island and thus will be exposing an area around each side of the island by about 12″. The floor which will be exposed was sanded, but never finished. I would like to know what I can apply to the unfinished boards that will look compatible to what I have already. The Swedish sheen is soft, but not extremely shiny, and you can easily see the wood grain. I do understand that the newly exposed wood will be different in color, but wonder what product and method of application could be used to tie these boards together? Is there a water based product that we could use which would blend with the Swedish finished area?

A: I haven’t used Swedish finishes (aka acid cure) since the mid 1980’s because they are extremely noxious. However they are designed to be non yellowing, so a water borne would probably be you best choice. You could use a finish such as Poloplaz 202. However, if the present coating has darkened up somewhat, perhaps a product such as Poloplaz Prism might work better. It will amber slightly.

Is wax or poly best?

Q: We have 1930’s oak floors, waxed, but with areas of water damage. I like wax (I strip and wax every year or so), but should we change to poly or whatever is current? My husband is wanting to avoid the chemicals involved in the waxing. We have poly in other new/addition areas, but I really like the old waxed wood. What is best for the wood, wax or polyurethane floor finish?

A: It is difficult to answer a question like that. What is best is partly determined by the conditions the floor will face and what your personal tastes might be. I would think the only chemical in wax your husband might want to avoid is mineral spirits, which is the main solvent in all waxes and oil based finishes. The problem with wax is that it really isn’t very durable and spots whenever you spill something on it. A good quality polyurethane such as Poloplaz Primero or Poloplaz 202 commercial grade water borne urethane (if you prefer less colour change and low odour) or a true penetrating oil finish such as Waterlox will give much better protection from spills and general wear than wax will.

Which is the best varnish for Cabreuva flooring (Santos Mahogany)?

Q: Which is the best varnish for Cabreuva flooring / Santos Mahogany? We tried some different varnishes, but it could not dry.

A: These exotics can be quite a challenge given the oils or what might be referred to as ‘extractives’. A water borne finish may be your best choice because you would avoid any cross activity happening between the main solvent in oil modified which is mineral spirits and those naturally occurring extractives. You could use a water borne sealer first and water borne top coats afterward. I would highly recommend Poloplaz 202 which is a commercial grade finish without the risks of having to add or handle a cross linker.

See also: Coating Exotic Wood Floors

What kind of finish is best for use on White Birch wood?

Q: I am doing a project in class, and I need to know what kind of finish is best for use on White Birch wood. I can’t seem to find it anywhere else on the Internet, so I figured I would ask you.

A: What is the ‘best’ finish is not easy to answer, and is probably as much subjective as objective. It depends what you are trying to achieve. If you have a need to keep the colour as light as possible, you would want to use a non yellowing finish such as a water borne coating. If you prefer the deeper richer tones of an oil modified, then a good quality solvent based finish is the choice. If you are looking for something that has a more natural, old fashioned type of look, perhaps a penetrating tung oil product such as Waterlox is the product to choose. In the polyurethane department, I use Poloplaz Primero and 202. I have also used Waterlox on a number of floors, all of which worked out quite well.

Tung oiled floor taking a beating

Q: I have a pine floor which was stained and then tung oiled. I don’t think there was enough tung oil applied. Like maybe there should have been 5 or 6 applications instead of 3? The floor is taking a beating. In some places the stain is actually worn (we have several dogs and lots of people in and out). Could waterlox be applied over this floor now?

A: Pure tung oil isn’t really practical as a floor finish. Waterlox is an excellent product. Smelly though. I think you would be fine going with that now, but would probably email the manufacturer to get their view. You could get a small tin of it and try a sample spot, but given that in each case you are using a penetrating oil, I don’t anticipate any adhesion issues. You will need 4 coats of Waterlox.